Rich writes: (and btw you guys I LOVE it when you write and ask me stuff it lets me know what’s on your minds)
“I wanted to write and i’m not sure you want to touch on this subject or not but i can see where many submissives now have fallen victim to what might be about the most extreme form of online domination, and that is using this teamviewer which personally i know enough about it to never have fallen for this, but i can see where some have and as far as i can tell i don’t think there’s a way out for them. I don’t know if you’re that familiar with it but i’m sure you’ve heard of it. I had one guy respond to a post on the subject of Teamviewer, first mistake he didn’t educate himself first about what it was so when he downloaded it he unknowingly did what his Mistress asked and gave her his username and password, that’s it he was sunk, she went in and deleted all his videos, pictures, went through his emails and locked him out of his pc.”
Okay right off the bat I had to laugh at this. Not in a disrespectful way , like I said I love your questions. What makes me laugh is this ‘victim mentality’ like you guys are nothing but a bunch of morons who don’t have brains and can’t 
think for yourselves.
In this instance as in many I’ve seen before with Teamviewer, you guys are just stupid. You pretend to have no brains and then claim victim when someone acts on your vulnerability. That’s like saying, ‘I didn’t know murder was against the law, so therefore you can’t hold me accountable.’ Bullshit! If you are stupid enough to open your computer up through Teamviewer or any of the many other remote assistance sites out there including Messenger by the way, where you can do the same thing, you’re on your own and deserve what you get. You can’t claim ignorance unless you have a mental disability.
All this Domina did was blackmail the guy out of his own computer. You want to get back in, you want your shit back, pay up! You play with fire you get burned boys! I can’t say that enough. This tells me the guy was probably in to Financial Domination and as far as I’m concerned she just did her job.Was she ruthless, yup, but if you borrow money from the mob with no intent to pay back you’ll probably get your legs broke or worse. It’s all the same thing guys, USE YOUR HEADS!!
Now from a legal standpoint and this is for all you Dommes and BabyDommes out there, Teamviewer is illegal for the purpose you’re using it for. If this guy wanted to suffer the humiliation of going to the cops, she’d be done for. You’re looking at charges of grand theft, bank fraud, computer hi-jacking, and the list goes on, all of which are FELONIES and come with hefty prison sentences. So girls if you think there’s no trail to your computer ah, YES of course there is! My suggestion is this is a very dangerous game to play on both sides. The other point here is, in the case Rich was speaking of, this Domme is stupid because she just shot herself in the foot. When you’re blackmailing a sub, you need to think long term not short term and too many of you do this. Unless you make a haul of over $10k in one sitting what’s the point? You open yourself up to serious litigation for what, a couple hundred bucks? Use the brains you were born with girls, too many of you are going for the quick piddly-assed cash and not thinking of long term cash.
Now I get the psychological turn-on of watching a Domme take control of your computer and empty your credit card or bank account or chat account or whatever for someone in to the Financial Domination that’s HUGE. But just because it turns you on doesn’t make it a smart move to engage in. Especially with someone you don’t know. I’m not saying that it can’t be done with a Domina you’ve known for several years who plays with a level head and isn’t a moron herself, ie someone you can trust. But I still think it’s foolish.
So as with everything boys and girls always go with that age old saying, ‘if it looks too good to be true, it probably is.’
Keep those comments and questions coming….
I have to agree with the doc on this one. 1. I knew this sort of thing well back in or around 1980’s your discussing it now. let me put it another way lets say I’m 40 years right and this has happened at the dawn of the internet that’s like a whole lifetime knowing what people get upto but it also means your behind everyone else. 2. financial domination can be done to protect each other as some mistresses and the doc have said do the homework before getting involved. I don’t try too look at porn as abusive but I spent most of my time observing a mistresses lifestyle and it’s like a world that’s between worlds. I had to watch on the news nearly every other day a mistress was killed in Sydney due to her job we need to look at Princess Marci who died recently. her death was to show what can happen to a mistress. the other example is the Bayden-Clay family that’s the opposite of Marci the first one was a mistress dieing doing her job the other is when the man is between two women and has to make a choice does he kill the mistress or his family. This is where money is involved. If we look at the definition of a mistress it states an illicite relationship between the mistress and her slave this means one side has to be married while the other can be single. Now I’ve heard mistresses say their job doesn’t involve sex it’s partially true there is no sex performed by mistress unless she is asked however she can ask the male to perform sex just the same. I hope this helps doc.
your argument of saying he deserves what he gets is absolutely idiotic and moronic. it’s just like saying that a girl walking naked deserves being raped. Like all sort of play their has to be an agreement and consent. he didn’t consent to be locked out.
Just like today ….. I’m always been into femdom and always been a dom in ky life and many relationships bu About 6 months ago got into findom it’s been going well however today I was approached by a sub wanting to give me access through teamviewer well at first the excitement over rinsing him controlling him and having that power was kicking in but … As i looked it up and realize he was trying to get me to put an app on my phone I’m not really good at these things so I really wasn’t getting what I was supposed to do and low and behold another slave popped up offering to teach me it well the first one went quiet on me and my something’s not right meter was going off so I chose to say I’m going to pass I’m not comfortable with this at least until I learn more on it just to be safe thank you I kind of feel like considering they got very defensive and then they like hastefully I kind of feel like this may have been a setup so I just tell everybody to be real careful and thank God I stopped and use my brain what if it was a setup
Reeeeally intersting.
As a new findom (just recently got into it but I am a « normal » Dom) I felt that it was really weird that some guy just messages me with his teamviewer Information without even knowing me without even ask me anything else.
Reading this really helped me to understand what danger I as a dom can be exposed if I use TV on a sub that I don’t even know and I am really grateful for that Dr Sue.
Thank you.
You’re welcome! I’m glad I can help you and your clients stay safe.
Very interesting read. Teamviewer is a tool that I have a love-hate relationship with. I will NEVER use Teamviewer with a new sub because of the potential dangers involved. Anyone who approaches Me with their TV information first gets a link to My webpage and told to set up a session first. I never use TV on the first session – it is something that has to be approached with cognizance on both the side of the sub and the Domme. Like Dr. Sue said – KNOW WHAT YOU’RE GETTING INTO!
That being said, I LOVE TV when done right. It comes as no surprise to anyone who knows anything about Me that I LOVE blackmail fetish, and TV is a great way to dig even deeper into a sub’s life than you can with just cam or phone sessions. I can lock your computer and dig through your emails, pictures, browser history, etc. I can take screenshots of all of this to be used as blackmail material against you. I can even decide what types of porn to MAKE you watch while you serve Me by pulling up a website and just letting it play lol! The possibilities are truly endless with this program, but it takes an extreme amount of trust on both ends.
I think I love teamviewer and is exited when someone use it to enter my computer
i have yet to hear anyone make more sense of this then dr. sue. that said part is her thinking is the exact way this fetish is supposed to be conducted. she herself is better then 95% of the phonies claiming to be findoms. if i had my choice i would pic dr. sue or no one, she obviously missed her calling in this type of fetish. very smart lady to say the least
Whoa when did I say I stopped? I don’t do it a lot because I get too frustrated with flakey subs. Here’s what I tell everyone… I’ll always be a Domme first and a Doc second. So come to the darkside Scott, we have baked goods….
Teamviewer is just a tool; the level it can be used for of course will vary between any two participants, but like any form of play…you should know what you are getting into and who you are dealing with. Dr Sue is right when she says you need to educate yourselves; anyone going into a situation like this is the cybeer equivalent of not having a “safety call” when meeting someone to play in real time. One should always take precautions.
I am not sure of the legality of any of this; as nowadays most things involving cyber control do walk a very fine line between legal and illegal. But again, I agree with Dr Sue’s comment about long-term vs. short term cash. A good sustained financial domination relationship will be much more beneficial to both parties that the quick rush both parties get from a financial raping.
And if done properly and developed over time…a good controlling online relationship can be so much more, with teamviewer just being a small part of what can really be done.
For example:
As technology has increased over the past few years…I have often wondered if it could be used to control a slave remotely. I started looking for ways that one could really be a slave online or at a distance and not just role-play at it. And I must say…I think it can be done.
Using remote access programs such as Teamviewer can allow the Owner to take over the admin account on the slaves computer. Once this is done there are a lot more things that can be installed or done to further take control of the slave. The owner can then install programs such as parental controls like Bluedog to limit what the slave can do on their computer as well as when. Installing programs such as PC Pandora to watch and track everything the slave can do on the computer…including it being able to take webcam images can do a lot to get into the details of the slaves life.
Speaking of webcams…there are now some on the market that are controllable via the internet and can also be used as surveillance/security cameras. Set up correctly the slave would never have any privacy and the Owner could visually verify that the slave is following orders given.
And if the slave has a smartphone…there are program that allow an Owner to monitor and control the slave’s phone. With the tracking software on these programs (such as MobileSpy and Phone Sherrif) there is no escape for the slave. The Owner can ensure that the slave is where he is supposed to be at all times with GPS tracking ; and can disable any app they do not want the slave to use. You can also monitor and track the slave’s spending with other phone apps such as Mint.com and others.
There are things like Verizon Home Control and other systems that would allow the Owner to control the slave’s appliances, lights, locks, and thermostat; so the Owner can even control the slave’s comfort and activites.
There are also a couple of great devices from a company called Dreamlover Labs…one is a “training” device called the DL2000 that attaches to a chastity device that can be used to take control over the slave’s genitals; and a second device is the Chrono-Vault that would enable the Owner to deny the slave access to any keys for as long as the Owner decides.
Additional programs such as Fond of Writing and Grounded can be used to keep the slave occupied for as long as the Owner wants. Fond of Writing makes the slave have to complete typing tasks; and Grounded just gives the slave a grey screen and the occasional pop-up that the slave must click on. Failures or mistakes can result in punishment from the DL2000, longer time with the keys locked up in the Chrono-vault; or even denial of computer rights for a certain time frame.
As things progress; there is also the possibility of restricting the slave’s access to it’s own cash (perhaps only the Owner now has access to it?) and the slave is only allowed an allowance and needs permission to spend any money. If this is the case, the Owner could also use the slave’s funds to pay for it’s groceries and clothing….thus controlling what the slave has to eat and wear…again the webcams ensuring that the slave has to obey.
The Owner would then be able to control all of the slave’s free time (not work) and everything that it does and can do.
If done correctly this would make the slave truly owned even at a distance. Granted there is always much more that could be done, and it would take somebody with decent computer skills to set it all up; but it creates an opportunity for those who otherwise might not get to experience either side of this lifestyle.
Just remember the old addage: “Buyer Beware”.
There’s no question that it’s risky. But it’s that risk that draws men in. They feel compelled to go there, like a moth to a flame. I know because I’ve felt that allure with chastity play. You know you’re taking a huge risk sending that chastity key to that cute gal across the country… but for some reason you just can’t stop yourself. You shake with anticipation, nerves, excitement and desire as you drop that key in the envelope and post it. If there weren’t a risk I don’t think so many people would do it.
As for the domme side, isn’t there something a domme can do to protect herself from litigation? Can’t she get the sub to sign a contract or something?
I think any kind of online domination is dangerous. Cyber crimes can really screw up your life especially in the days of digital identity theft. Why not just open up your front door for an “open house” with the petty thiefs in the neighborhood?
I don’t know much about teamviewer; never used it, never will. I thought it was like a conference video call program that subs used to perform for dominants. I was dumb enough to do that years ago with yahoo chat until it dawned on me there are programs that can record from the screen. The horror of that thought killed that diversion real quick. In the always connected world of social media networks, you never know who knows who, or where your film debut may turn up.